not going to keep raising the debt ceiling at indicating that there will be steep cuts said. what is the chance of that? >> well, i hope the is right, but i fear he is wrong. i think that the current mood of the country is more sympathetic to the president and the democrats' perspective, which is that we don't really have a serious spending problem. we have a minor spending problem we can do with a little bit. we can raise taxes on high-income households a little bit more and we don't have to make fundamental cuts in entitlements. i think that's wrong. i think we have to make substantial cuts in entitlements. we should make substantial cuts in many other components of expenditure as well, defense and nondefense in that trying to address our long term fiscal situation with higher taxes is is going to destroy the economy. gerri: democrats are beating the drum on this already. anyone you listen to from that side of the house is really talking about higher taxes. republicans and conservatives in general like to talk about the power of economic growth. could robust growth that a l